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Deposit $2,000 by card, withdraw $3,000 later: how the broker may split the payout

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Deposit $2,000 by card, withdraw $3,000 later: how the broker may split the payout

A scenario that catches people out. You deposit $2,000 by card. The account grows to $3,500 and you request $3,000.

Because of anti money laundering rules, brokers commonly send money back the way it came in, up to the amount deposited. So $2,000 goes to the card, and the other $1,000, which is profit, goes by bank wire or another method the broker accepts.

Say the wire costs a flat $25. On the $1,000 piece that is 2.5%. If the same $3,000 had gone out as a single wire, the fee would have been 0.8%, but that is rarely how it works for a card depositor.

Now two cards, $500 and $1,500, and a $1,200 withdrawal. The refund usually goes against the cards in some order the broker chooses, with a cap of what each card put in.

None of this is a trick. It is the broker following the rule that funds return to source. The surprise comes from not reading the withdrawal page before depositing.
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Re: Deposit $2,000 by card, withdraw $3,000 later: how the broker may split the payout

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The split payout is an easy surprise. One way to reduce the cost is to deposit by bank transfer from the start if the plan is to withdraw profits regularly, since then everything returns the same way. For traders in Asia, the card refund can also take a long time to show on the statement, sometimes several weeks, so planning withdrawals ahead helps.
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The order of requests matters. Suppose you ask for only the $1,000 of profit. Some brokers will send it back to the card anyway, because the card deposit is still outstanding, which leaves you with $1,000 still waiting to be refunded before any wire is possible. Others let profit go out by wire from the start. The way to find out is to read the terms for the phrase about returning funds to the original method, or to ask support a specific question with figures: I deposited $2,000 by card, balance is $3,500, how would a $1,000 withdrawal be paid? Keep the written answer from the chat transcript alongside the terms you agreed to.
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Timing differs by route. A card refund can take several business days to show on the statement, while a wire often arrives within one to three. If your $3,000 splits into a card refund and a wire, the two pieces can land on different days. Say the wire arrives on day 2 and the card on day 6. Four days between the pieces is normal, not a sign that something is wrong. If you have a bill due the same week, count the date by which the slower piece lands, and keep the wire part as your plan rather than the full $3,000. The broker's page should give processing times for each method, which are usually working days.
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Currency makes the card piece slightly uncertain. Suppose a euro card pays a $2,000 deposit at EURUSD 1.10, so the card is charged 2,000 / 1.10 = €1,818.18. If the refund is converted at 1.05, it returns 2,000 / 1.05 = €1,904.76, which is €86.58 more. If the euro has risen to 1.15, it returns €1,739.13, which is €79.05 less. Who does the conversion, the broker or the card issuer, and at which rate, varies. The refund is in dollars at the broker's end, so the dollar amount is fixed but the euros on your statement are not. If your bank also charges a foreign exchange fee, that comes on top. Costs like these are small next to a trading year, but they are real.
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Percentage and flat fees change which split is cheaper. Take a $3,000 withdrawal. Under a flat $25 wire fee, sending everything by wire costs $25, and the card refund route plus a $1,000 wire also costs $25, so there is no difference. Under a 1% wire fee, sending everything by wire costs $30, whereas $2,000 by card at no charge and $1,000 by wire costs $10. So the split that looks annoying can be the cheaper path. Check each method's fee on the withdrawal page and note whether it is a flat amount, a percentage, a minimum, or both, because many brokers charge a percentage with a minimum, and that can reverse the result for small amounts.
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