Break-even move at +4 on a 6 pip stop and 9 pip target: what a no-edge market does to it
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2026 10:38 am
Break-even move at +4 on a 6 pip stop and 9 pip target: what a no-edge market does to it
Plan: stop 6 pips, target 9 pips. Variation: once price is 4 pips in profit, move the stop to the entry. Does the variation change the odds in a market that goes nowhere on average?
For a driftless random walk, the chance of reaching +9 before -6 is 6 / 15 = 40%. So the plain version wins 40% and loses 60%: expectancy 0.40 x 9 minus 0.60 x 6 = 0, before costs.
With the break-even move, work through the branches. The chance price gets to +4 before -6 is 6 / 10 = 60%. The other 40% are full losses of 6 pips. From +4, the chance of reaching +9 before returning to the entry is 4 / 9 = 44.4%. So 0.60 x 0.444 = 26.7% win 9 pips, and 0.60 x 0.556 = 33.3% are scratched at zero, and 40% lose 6. Expectancy is 0.267 x 9 minus 0.40 x 6 = 2.4 minus 2.4 = 0 again.
So in a market with no edge, the move doesn't change the average at all. It changes the shape: win rate falls from 40% to 27%, a third of trades become scratches, and the losers shrink from 60% to 40% of trades. If each trade also costs 1 pip, both versions lose 1 pip per trade on average, since the scratches still pay the spread.
So the move is not an edge by itself. It helps in a market that tends to fall back through the entry after reaching +4, and it hurts in one that shakes you out at the entry and then carries on to the target.
Plan: stop 6 pips, target 9 pips. Variation: once price is 4 pips in profit, move the stop to the entry. Does the variation change the odds in a market that goes nowhere on average?
For a driftless random walk, the chance of reaching +9 before -6 is 6 / 15 = 40%. So the plain version wins 40% and loses 60%: expectancy 0.40 x 9 minus 0.60 x 6 = 0, before costs.
With the break-even move, work through the branches. The chance price gets to +4 before -6 is 6 / 10 = 60%. The other 40% are full losses of 6 pips. From +4, the chance of reaching +9 before returning to the entry is 4 / 9 = 44.4%. So 0.60 x 0.444 = 26.7% win 9 pips, and 0.60 x 0.556 = 33.3% are scratched at zero, and 40% lose 6. Expectancy is 0.267 x 9 minus 0.40 x 6 = 2.4 minus 2.4 = 0 again.
So in a market with no edge, the move doesn't change the average at all. It changes the shape: win rate falls from 40% to 27%, a third of trades become scratches, and the losers shrink from 60% to 40% of trades. If each trade also costs 1 pip, both versions lose 1 pip per trade on average, since the scratches still pay the spread.
So the move is not an edge by itself. It helps in a market that tends to fall back through the entry after reaching +4, and it hurts in one that shakes you out at the entry and then carries on to the target.